14:27 < Jaffa> Good afternoon everyone to the September sprint meeting 14:27 < X-Fade> hi 14:27 < Jaffa> Hmm. Time discrepancy between my box and watch/phone/laptop 14:27 < JimiDini> hi :) 14:27 < andre__> ahoj. 14:28 < jeremiah> This sprint meeting came awfully abruptly. ;] 14:28 < danielwilms> hello 14:28 < bergie> hi all 14:28 < jeremiah> hi bergie 14:28 < Jaffa> jeremiah: *Advertising* came abruptly; however each sprint meeting is the first Tuesday of the month at 13:30 UTC ;-) 14:28 < Jaffa> And it was advertised in the minutes of the last meeting; but these are excuses - sorry. 14:28 < jeremiah> Jaffa: Yes, but I had forgotten that fact. :[ 14:28 < Jaffa> jeremiah: Sorry :) 14:29 < jeremiah> Not your fault, you shouldn't have to remind us. :P 14:29 < Jaffa> Fortunately, since this is the last meeting before the next council election -it'll be the last one I'm chairing. So thank you to everyone in advance, and thanks for all your help & support over the past 6 months. 14:29 < jeremiah> Jaffa: Are you not running for the next council? 14:30 < Jaffa> jeremiah: Probably not. 14:30 < jeremiah> :( 14:30 < VDVsx> bahh 14:30 < Jaffa> ta :) 14:30 < jeremiah> Its a lotta work I imagine. 14:30 < VDVsx> Jaffa, I promise beers in Amsterdam :) 14:31 < zerojay> No doubt. 14:31 < jeremiah> w00t! 14:31 < Jaffa> Anyway, today's agenda is the same thing we do every time: quick overview of any outstanding MUSTs/SHOULDs and anything interesting about the completed ones; then committments for the next 4 weeks and AOB. 14:31 < Jaffa> VDVsx: I'll hold you to that :) 14:31 < jeremiah> Right. 14:31 < dneary> hi all 14:31 < Jaffa> 1) REVIEW OF LAST SPRINT 14:31 < Jaffa> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/August_09#Tasks 14:31 < Jaffa> hi dneary :) 14:31 < Jaffa> Thanks everyone for the last minute push on statuses, btw. We're getting much better about it :) 14:31 < sopi> hello 14:32 < Jaffa> So, starting at the top - 9.08-01: sopi? 14:33 < sopi> yes. got no time to start it and i did not want to rush in the last minute. 14:33 < sopi> so let's push it to Sept. it takes only a day, max. 14:33 < Jaffa> OK. 14:33 < sopi> i am sorry for that. 14:34 < Jaffa> However, 9.08-02 and 9.08-03 complete :-) 14:34 < Jaffa> Anything to add? 14:34 < jeremiah> Yeah, I got a lot more karma now! 14:34 < jeremiah> :) 14:34 < sopi> Karma points are calculated nicely, although the forum where the mails are shown is buggy. 14:34 < Jaffa> jeremiah: Woohoo :) 14:35 < sopi> i think we can fix the forum later, it was not super important how the threads rendered there.. 14:35 < Jaffa> If we do it again, I'd like to see us somehow use a staging db so there isn't a handful of days where the karma can't be trusted. Dunno about the logistics - this is me being all PHBey :) 14:35 < Jaffa> sopi: Agreed. 14:36 < sopi> Jaffa: planning of the new server farm is just on its way 14:36 < sopi> we will have more servers, and more power. 14:36 < sopi> so yes, next time we can do it wiser. 14:36 < Jaffa> sopi: cool 14:36 < Jaffa> Anything else on karma? 14:37 < Jaffa> If not, we'll move on to X-Fade 14:37 < X-Fade> Basic functionally is in place, blocking on extras-testing qa definition and more people with Maemo5 to actually test the apps. 14:37 < Jaffa> X-Fade: What's your main focus atm? 14:37 < Jaffa> Is it the promotion scripts from -devel -> -testing? 14:37 < X-Fade> There are a few things I want to do as separate tasks, but the basic interface seems to be working. 14:38 < X-Fade> Jaffa: promotion devel->testing seems to be working ok. 14:38 < X-Fade> The part I can't really test is testing->extras as we don't have everything discussed yet. 14:38 < VDVsx> many kudos to X-fade for the package interface :) 14:38 < Jaffa> X-Fade: If the basic UI is working; should 9.06-05 be closed? 14:39 < X-Fade> Yeah, if we take the remaining things as separate tasks, you can. 14:39 < Jaffa> X-Fade: up to you as much as anyone; but separate discrete tasks good 14:40 < X-Fade> Jaffa: I'll be working on it this month a lot, so administration doesn't matter for me. As long as it gets done. 14:41 < Jaffa> X-Fade: if it's all or nothing this month, then it doesn't matter. If there's any possibility bits might slip - or it's not clear when it's "done", we should have separate tasks. 14:42 < X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah, just close it and I'll create a list of new tasks. 14:43 < X-Fade> Jaffa: Working more than 40 hours a week on this alone, won't be off my mind anyway ;) 14:43 < Jaffa> X-Fade: Cool 14:44 < Jaffa> jeremiah: 9.08-04 - minimae (must): 90% 14:44 < jeremiah> I need to find a better way to hook in the minimae script to the incoming packages. 14:44 < jeremiah> The tests are all there in Maemian, but maemian is like lintian 14:44 < jeremiah> designed to be run by the developer 14:45 < jeremiah> minimae is meant to run over the newly built package and check stuff 14:45 < jeremiah> But since there is a lag between upload and build 14:45 < jeremiah> my inotify script has to sleep 14:45 < X-Fade> jeremiah: I have a hook in the autobuilder for that. 14:45 < jeremiah> So after discussing this a bit with ed 14:45 < Jaffa> Ah. So this is similar to the problem Ed Bartosh, Marius & Graham Cobb have been discussing about multi-package builds. 14:45 < Jaffa> (on -devel) 14:45 < jeremiah> X-Fade: Yeah, he basically said to use that 14:45 < Jaffa> Right :) 14:46 < X-Fade> jeremiah: One that runs just before the build and one that runs after the build results come back. 14:46 < jeremiah> Jaffa: Yes. 14:46 < jeremiah> X-Fade: Where is the second one? 14:46 < jeremiah> I should use that. 14:46 < jeremiah> It also turns out that ed is doing some testsing too 14:46 < X-Fade> jeremiah: Let's discuss that after the meeting ;) 14:46 < jeremiah> so maybe co-ordinate 14:46 < jeremiah> X-Fade: Okay. :) 14:47 < Jaffa> Cool. So carry over to Sept, or a separate task for managing the link? Sounds like it's the same task really. 14:47 < jeremiah> Jaffa: It is the same task really, but the code is mostly written 14:47 < jeremiah> It just needs to find the right time to run 14:47 < Jaffa> jeremiah: Cool; I suggest carrying it over? 14:47 < jeremiah> Yes please. 14:47 < Jaffa> Ta. 14:48 < jeremiah> I would like to add a "could" or "should" and that is built a mirror of the repos on tessting 14:48 < jeremiah> Though I doubt I'll get to it. :/ 14:48 * Jaffa nods; we'll get to that shortly :) 14:48 < jeremiah> Want to prepare my presentation as well this month 14:48 < jeremiah> oh sorry. 14:48 < Jaffa> JimiDini: 9.06-07: app karma (must): 90% 14:49 < Jaffa> Saw the formula and test data on the mailing list. Looks good. 14:50 < Jaffa> If it's just a case of getting feedback on the formula; suggest you give another prod now there's more data and if there aren't any major objections - progressing with it. 14:50 < Jaffa> JimiDini seems to be AWOL. 14:50 < JimiDini> Jaffa: My formula is actually already implemented in code (not online yet). 14:50 < Jaffa> Ah. Bingo. 14:50 < Jaffa> Cool. 14:50 < JimiDini> It is possible to tweak it now or later. 14:50 < JimiDini> I am going to move formula online, so everyone can see how it looks in reality and we can change it later 14:51 < Jaffa> JimiDini: Agreed 14:51 < Jaffa> JimiDini: Is that a 5 minute job, and the task therefore closable? 14:51 < JimiDini> And if everyone likes it, it's just a question of putting new URL somewhere on front-page :) 14:52 < X-Fade> I will change the 'HOT' block to list apps based on karma then. 14:52 < Jaffa> And we can see how it feels. 14:52 < Jaffa> Sounds like a plan. 14:52 < JimiDini> that is more like 15-minutes, but, yes, I guess we can close it 14:53 < Jaffa> danielwilms: 9.07-01 SSO (must): 60% 14:53 < Jaffa> Seems to be lingering, this one. 14:53 < danielwilms> ups...sorry, forgot to update 14:53 < danielwilms> single sign on and out are done...now the api for the user-info has to be implemented 14:54 < bergie> which is a separate task :-) 14:54 < bergie> or at least should be 14:54 < danielwilms> have to talk to alexey next week one day to get the things together 14:54 < danielwilms> yep 14:54 < bergie> I'll be working on that with danielwilms and JimiDini 14:54 < danielwilms> bergie: good 14:54 < danielwilms> bergie: should be for sep 14:55 < JimiDini> yup. we'll do it in september 14:55 < dneary> fyi, I have to scoot in an hour 14:56 < danielwilms> that's it from my side ;) 14:57 < Jaffa> Cool 14:57 < Jaffa> qgil isn't around - but has given an update on 9.08-06 (summit budget) 14:57 < Jaffa> 0% is a bit harsh, since the sponsorship budget's firmed up at least 14:58 < Jaffa> timsamoff is in Stuttgart, but 9.08-08 is an ongoing task into September 14:58 < Jaffa> VDVsx: 9.08-09 Summit buzz (must): 100% - anything to add? 14:58 < VDVsx> done for this month, I intend to continue with the task in the next sprint 14:59 < Jaffa> Cool 14:59 < Jaffa> Moving on to outstanding SHOULDs 14:59 < Jaffa> qgil's 9.08-10 - carrying over (QA process). 14:59 < VDVsx> ok, thanks 14:59 -!- tekojo [n=tero@a91-154-122-100.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #maemo-meeting 15:00 < Jaffa> andre__: 9.04-05 Bugzilla newstyle. 80% 15:00 -!- tekojo [n=tero@a91-154-122-100.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 15:00 < Jaffa> Need a hand/testers/palm it off/carry it over? 15:00 < andre__> was working on it, but then spent lots of time on Fremantle stuff (discussing, reproduce a bug and run into 3 new issues ;-) , some other stuff, lately testing 3rd party apps)... 15:00 < andre__> later on this month I want testers, yes 15:00 -!- tekojo [n=tero@a91-154-122-100.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #maemo-meeting 15:00 < andre__> make it a MUST please. I want to get this off the list :) 15:02 * Jaffa hasn't done anything on 9.08-11 (documenting & communicating packages interface) 15:02 < Jaffa> Happy to carry it over, unless anyone else wants it and/or has comments? 15:03 < Jaffa> Stskeeps' 9.06-09 (vendor h/w repos) - presumably carrying over. 15:03 < Jaffa> sopi: Want to carry over 9.08-12? (could) 15:03 < Jaffa> jeremiah: Want to carry over 9.04-08? (could) 15:04 < jeremiah> Well, if it is useful to people, otherwise, maybe not 15:04 < sopi> yes, i will complete it in Sept. 15:05 < jeremiah> ITP and package adoption is really useful in debian since it provides a vector to get involved. 15:05 < Jaffa> jeremiah: I'd guess it may be more useful with Fremantle? But the packages stuff/minimae etc. being more useful 15:05 < jeremiah> But I don't hear a lot of people clamoring for a way to do "intent to pacakge" bugs 15:06 < jeremiah> Yeah, we can keep it. It is not hard to finish and I can blog about it, you may be right taht it is useful for fremantle 15:07 < Jaffa> OK, cool 15:07 < Jaffa> 2) NEW TASKS 15:08 < Jaffa> New tasks to be committed to by everyone? 15:08 < X-Fade> - Push Packaging Policy updates (Must) 15:08 < X-Fade> - Add source packages and repositories to interface (Should) 15:08 < X-Fade> - Add extra info fields from control files to interface (Could) 15:08 < X-Fade> - Put Maemo 5 section for Downloads online (When first package enters Extras) (Should) 15:08 < Jaffa> X-Fade gets the prize for most organised :) 15:08 < jeremiah> I would like to add a "could" and that is built a mirror of the repos on testing 15:08 < bergie> Jaffa: did you already write down the account sync API? 15:08 < dneary> 1. Run council election (MUST) 15:08 < Jaffa> bergie: not really - having them below the title above would be handy 15:09 < dneary> 2. Finalise community days in Summit (me, VDVsx and baloo) (MUST) 15:09 < danielwilms> implementing sync-API endpoint for garage (could) 15:09 < sopi> - participating in the server migration planning (this activity is led by tekojo) 15:09 < jeremiah> - participating in the server migration planning (this activity is led by tekojo) 15:09 < dneary> 3. Documentation issues - I will need some guidance on priorities for Fremantle 15:09 < dneary> I will have some at least SHOULD stuff there 15:09 < X-Fade> dneary: Can I suggest: 'Document Extras testing/QA process' and related items? 15:09 < dneary> Unfortunately, library.maemo.org again moves to the month after 15:10 < dneary> X-Fade: You can certainly suggest 15:10 < X-Fade> dneary: But will you take it? :) 15:10 < dneary> X-Fade: I prefer when documentation is written by people who know what they're talking about though :) 15:11 < dneary> Which would make it a job for you or Jeremiah, and I would certainly help editing & reviewing the document afterwards 15:11 < X-Fade> dneary: Nice opportunity for you to find out how everything works :) 15:12 < Jaffa> X-Fade: I could keep 9.08-11 (which seems to cover the start of that), and hand it over to dneary to improve? 15:12 < Jaffa> Not having to editorialise my own content so much would be refreshing :) 15:12 < dneary> X-Fade: Only increases the likelihood I won't get it done this month 15:12 < X-Fade> Jaffa: Sure. 15:14 < Jaffa> OK, I'll keep it and make it a MUST 15:14 < dneary> I will be reviewing a lot of outstanding documentation bugs this month before the official release of fremantle documentation 15:14 < dneary> I don't want to overcommit & under-deliver 15:15 < Jaffa> Agreed 15:16 < Jaffa> So, our high-level items for the end of this sprint would be: 15:16 < Jaffa> * Packages being usable (and used) for Fremantle testing by people with devices in hand 15:17 < Jaffa> * Some automatic checks to prevent duff packages getting into -testing 15:17 < Jaffa> * SSO: accounts sync API between various systems 15:17 < Jaffa> * Published documentation on server upgrades 15:17 < Jaffa> * Council election 15:17 < Jaffa> * Community days of summit finalised 15:18 < Jaffa> * Sponsorhsip rejection/approval requests sent for everyone (a new MUST for me) 15:18 < Jaffa> Any other big items from that list I'm missing (trying to instil a flavour of everything that people will be primarily working on) 15:18 < jeremiah> Capacity planning for fremantle? 15:19 < Jaffa> * Capacity planning for Fremantle :) 15:19 < jeremiah> \o/ 15:19 < Jaffa> Anybody have any other low-level tasks, or high-level goals they think should be made clear? 15:19 < Jaffa> Anybody have nothing to do? 15:20 < Jaffa> Anybody think we've missed something? 15:20 < Jaffa> Anybody have any AOB? 15:20 < tekojo> was the server moce taken into account? 15:21 < Jaffa> "into account"? 15:21 < tekojo> (sorry for being late, small child) 15:21 < X-Fade> tekojo: No, that is BAU :) 15:21 < jeremiah> tekojo: Yeah, we're calling that capacity planning. 15:21 < tekojo> X-Fade ok, thanks 15:21 < sopi> tekojo: i also mentioned as a task for me. 15:22 < Jaffa> Anything else? (we may finish a meeting early - this must be a success criteria to bow out on ;-)) 15:22 < jeremiah> whoohoo 15:22 < Jaffa> And I've got a lovely long flight to Stuttgart to sort the minutes out on :) 15:23 < Jaffa> (wiki editing on a plane != fun, though) 15:23 < jeremiah> Das ist nichte ser gut 15:23 < danielwilms> :D 15:23 < Jaffa> Oh, and I can't speak German (ein beer, bitte) 15:23 < jeremiah> Simple, bitte ein bit! 15:24 < tekojo> Kan ich dein N900 haben, bitte? 15:24 -!- glezos [n=mits@fedora/glezos] has joined #maemo-meeting 15:24 < Jaffa> I got that one :) 15:24 < Jaffa> I think we've finished, then! 15:24 < zerojay> Lol 15:24 < jeremiah> heh 15:24 < Jaffa> Thanks all! Remember to vote (and or stand) in the election! 15:24 < danielwilms> :))) 15:24 < sopi> thanks all! 15:24 < danielwilms> bye bye 15:24 < zerojay> What about the task proposals? 15:24 < jeremiah> auf viedersein? 15:25 < VDVsx> thanks all 15:25 < Jaffa> zerojay: Ah. You want to suggest something for someone *else*? 15:25 < danielwilms> jeremiah: close: auf wiedersehen :) 15:25 < jeremiah> oops. 15:25 < zerojay> Eh... Don't worry about it. 15:25 < Jaffa> ..., pet. 15:25 < jeremiah> Now I know at least. 15:25 < jeremiah> :) 15:25 < Jaffa> zerojay: Email -community and try and get someone to volunteer, I think and/or take ownership. 15:26 < zerojay> Glezos, we'll get in touch. 15:26 < sopi> bye! 15:26 * Jaffa has never been that convinced about that part of the process - and now won't be worrying about it ;-)) 15:26 < jeremiah> and zehr is zehr, not ser right? 15:26 < zerojay> Ok 15:26 < andre__> bye 15:26 -!- sopi [n=sopi@dsl5400905D.pool.t-online.hu] has left #maemo-meeting [] 15:26 < tekojo> bye! 15:26 < danielwilms> sehr :) 15:26 < Jaffa> Bye! 15:26 < glezos> zerojay: just saw your email, sorry for being late! 15:26 < jeremiah> ah 15:26 < andre__> (impressive. next meeting in german only it seems.) 15:26 < jeremiah> well then, ciao! 15:26 -!- tekojo [n=tero@a91-154-122-100.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #maemo-meeting [] 15:26 < zerojay> No biggie. Missed nothing anyways. 15:26 < danielwilms> bye! 15:26 < glezos> Jaffa, zerojay: Please let me know if you have any questions. I'm hoping to be able to get in touch at the Summit. 15:27 -!- JimiDini [n=JimiDini@93.185.190.227] has left #maemo-meeting [] 15:27 < zerojay> I should be there as well. 15:27 -!- zerojay [n=zerojay@74.198.12.3] has left #maemo-meeting [] 15:29 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@c83-248-143-10.bredband.comhem.se] has left #maemo-meeting [] 15:36 < Jaffa> glezos: Sorry, you are? :) 15:37 < andre__> Argh. Forgot to say that I'm on holidays from Sep 08-15. 15:37 < glezos> Jaffa: oh, sorry. I'm Dimitris Glezos, lead developer of Transifex. 15:37 < glezos> Jaffa: I saw your reply on a forum thread about our efforts re-engineer our L10n workflow and infrastructure 15:38 < glezos> here's the relevant task: 15:39 < glezos> We're planning on providing the community with all the tools needed to efficiently ship Harmattan (and next releases, of course) in as many languages as possible 15:42 -!- danielwilms [n=dwilms@147.243.155.42] has left #maemo-meeting [] 15:45 < glezos> Jaffa: I'll set up a plan with zerojay on the above page with rationale on what we're planning on doing, and hopefully at the Summit we'll get a chance to host a BoF to talk about our proposed L10n roadmap 15:47 < Jaffa> glezos: Ah, I see - yeah. Cool. 15:47 < Jaffa> glezos: Cool 15:49 < glezos> Jaffa: Is a particular member of the Council leading the Summit sponsorship decisions? I'd like to apply for consideration, if that wouldn't be a problem. 15:50 < glezos> This is because I think the Summit would be an excellent opportunity to discuss in detail with our translators (both external and internal) and decide our strategy and roadmap. 15:52 < glezos> GeneralAntilles, in case this interests you too ^^ 16:01 < Jaffa> glezos: We're doing it as a group. I *think* you already applied 16:02 < Jaffa> I can't remember what the majority vote decision was (we're prioritising people who are talking and long-standing contributors who are still making contributions) 16:02 < glezos> Jaffa: ah, excellent. Let me know if you need any other information then! 16:03 < VDVsx> Jaffa, and please don't forget some speakers, otherwise it will ruin our schedule ;) 16:03 -!- andre__ [n=andre@g1.blanicka25.net] has left #maemo-meeting [] 16:04 < Jaffa> VDVsx: That's the "are talking" bit. It was a composing "and", rather than a boolean "and" ;-) 16:04 < glezos> Jaffa: Understood. I'm hoping we can also take into consideration future decisions and contributions then. :) 16:05 < VDVsx> Jaffa, true, my bad :) 16:23 -!- bergie [n=bergie@nemein.suvilahti.nemein.net] has quit [] 16:34 -!- fr01b [n=fr@212.30.2.18] has left #maemo-meeting [] 16:35 -!- dneary [n=dneary@ALyon-152-1-89-226.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:02 < glezos> Jaffa: FYI, I just submitted a talk at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Towards_painless_yet_quality_translations 17:16 < Jaffa> glezos: Ta